Sequels To Renegade..or River City Ransom?

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Re: Sequels To Renegade..or River City Ransom?

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Swainy wrote:Yep all fan work. I reckon that if I had been about 5 years older, then I might have stood a chance doing some professional graphics for the Spectrum.

The Target Renegade graphics are simly coloured in versions of the Spectrum version. Double Dragon though is my own work. The trouble is, I have to rely on programmers as I can't actually code.


Very cool! By the way, to you or anyone on here: What are the best DD fan games out there? I've seen so many on youtube, it's hard to tell which are quality. Though I like how virtually all of them feature
the Double Dragon 2(and sometimes 1) sprites. I even saw one that seemed to have the DD3 arcade backgrounds replaced with DD2 era sprites.

For the heck of it I played both the Renegade arcade and NES version the other night. I had forgotten how hard(yet in some ways quick and easy) Renegade is. The whole 1 life in the arcade version with no continues is bizarre. I like how the NES tried to make it a bit longer, and more interesting. That's cool you're doing that T:R fan project. I have always wondered what that game would have looked like with better graphics. I've come to consider both T:R *and* Shodai Nekketsu Kouha Kunnio-kun(as well as Shin Nekketsu) true sequels to Renegade. (Tho I definitely refuse to even acknowledge the existence of that ghastly looking "Renegade III"
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mechapop wrote:For the heck of it I played both the Renegade arcade and NES version the other night. I had forgotten how hard(yet in some ways quick and easy) Renegade is. The whole 1 life in the arcade version with no continues is bizarre. I like how the NES tried to make it a bit longer, and more interesting.


Though I can't vouch for it personally as I've never played the thing, I hear the Master System of Renegade is definitive. It features new style graphics, much faster gameplay and even a completely different layout, much like a traditional beat 'em up established after DD, such as the main character jumping on a train after the first subway stage!

Edit - and heeeeeeeeere it is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZZbbKnbT-w

So where would you put this in the series?! Renegade 1.5 or something?!
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Steve Halfpenny wrote:
mechapop wrote:For the heck of it I played both the Renegade arcade and NES version the other night. I had forgotten how hard(yet in some ways quick and easy) Renegade is. The whole 1 life in the arcade version with no continues is bizarre. I like how the NES tried to make it a bit longer, and more interesting.


Though I can't vouch for it personally as I've never played the thing, I hear the Master System of Renegade is definitive. It features new style graphics, much faster gameplay and even a completely different layout, much like a traditional beat 'em up established after DD, such as the main character jumping on a train after the first subway stage!

Edit - and heeeeeeeeere it is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZZbbKnbT-w

So where would you put this in the series?! Renegade 1.5 or something?!


aww, that's so cute! It has the jazzy fun music of Renegade, but seems to be a take on the NES version(though they almost remind me of 1950's greasers)
Wow, 1993? A full 7 years after the original? I guess the 1993 date accounts for it looking close to a 16-bit game compared to older 8-bit SMS games. Renegade is such a short game, but I like how they added a few more stages. It definitely feels much closer to Target Renegade than the arcade version. What trips me out is that the "Target III" game bears no graphical, gameplay or theme elements of the first two(tho some could say the same for DD3 in comparison to the first two...heck Taito's 1992 Silent Dragon might as well been the real DD3)

As far as Renegade 1.5, I would just consider it Renegade. Though sometimes the line is blurred...for instance, Double Dragon for the Game Gear in 1992 is such a bizarre different game.
If the controls weren't impossible to deal with(I remember being so happy I found the game complete in box for cheap) one could almost consider it Double Dragon 4.5 or something.

By 2003-2005, we had Atlus Double Dragon Advance which is kind of like "Double Dragon Remix", and then Elite UK's Double Dragon Ex for the mobile phones which uses the similar style and graphics
as DDA. And then the 2009 Zeebo DD, which seems like a whole new game(wish Million would have ported that to the DS as DD5)
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Favorite DD fan game, gotta be Double Dragon Forever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2CSD8FsxBM

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As for Renegade being tough, hell yeah. However the ZX Spectrum was too easy, checkout my playthrough: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYmF1qpr5W0
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Swainy wrote:Favorite DD fan game, gotta be Double Dragon Forever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2CSD8FsxBM

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As for Renegade being tough, hell yeah. However the ZX Spectrum was too easy, checkout my playthrough: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYmF1qpr5W0


Wow, DDForever looks great...gives me the kind of thrill seeing as when I first happened upon DD2 in arcades. I've no idea, with all the ds/dsware/wiiware/psn/360 arcade remakes and sequels that have come out, why Million won't release a new game in the series. Just is so bizarre how they completely abandoned every hallmark of DD1/DD2, and let some third party develop a truly sluggish and ugly mess of a third game.

Aw, I see the Spectrum Renegade is directly based on the arcade. I gotta say, the SMS so far seems like the best incarnation.
By the way, have you played Shodai Nekketsu or Shin Nekketsu? In an odd way I guess I would say the Renegade saga(least to me)
would be Renegade(and from the looks of it, the SMS is the most story driven), Target Renegade, Shodai Nekketsu and Shin Nekketsu. By the way have you played "Renegade III"? I'm curious just how bad that thing is.
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mechapop wrote:By the way have you played "Renegade III"? I'm curious just how bad that thing is.


I owned it and I know Swainy probably had it too.

I was over the moon when it was announced and the reviews were actually pretty good too. But it's majorly flawed.

It must be said that it's extremely well presented, which is the norm for Ocean. Graphically and sound wise, it's very polished, although don't understand why it's completely monochrome (it's flick screen) and the music seems out of place in a beat em up. Actually, EVERYTHING seems out of place. The graphics are just flat out WRONG for this game and the story is just quite frankly, ridiculous.

Now onto the gameplay, or lack of. You walk from left to right, avoiding a few obstacles and realise that none of the enemies are actually looking for a fist fight. Eventually you'll get to a screen where a few cavemen and dinos approach from both directions (or whomever, depending on what stage you're on... it doesn't matter because the only things that change in this game are the graphics). So it turns into the first Renegade, kinda, except there are hardly any moves worth mentioning (probably because there are hardly any moves!). You bash the button and enemies kinda slide backwards when they're hit. Keep hitting them until they die. That's it. That's your lot. Seriously. No weapons, no flying kick, no real AI, just pointless button bashing.

The worst part is, you can probably run through the entire game without having to fight anyone. Seriously.

Not sure what the programmers were thinking but my guess is that they put all their effort into coming up with a bizarre sci-fi setting with fancy graphics, though they're really not that clever that they forgot about the game. You can't reinvent the wheel and why try something different when they could have re imagined Target; Renegade using a few ideas knicked from DD and similar games is beyond me. Actually, as I said, just convert River City Ransom or one of those other Kurin games and Bob's your uncle (if you get that saying).

Go and watch the videos on youtube. Says it all.
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